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  END OF A GAY COUPLE
Posted by: gayprojectforum - Yesterday, 06:30 PM - Forum: Gay couples - No Replies

Hi Project,
reading the forum is nice, there are many positive things, many stories that end well, however, in real life, there are also stories that I won't say end badly, but simply end, because all the things in this world end, and those stories are the ones the forum doesn't talk about. It's true that they wouldn't be positive pushes to face life, because a bit of enthusiasm is needed, but stories, that is, many stories, generally don't last. It's no one's fault, you simply realize that the story is over and you part ways, or rather, you don't even part ways, because in theory everything is as before, but you realize that the pauses become very long, that the conversations become circumstantial conversations and that in practice it makes no sense to try to keep up something that no longer exists, that perhaps existed but no longer exists. Just the memory remains, that is, only the memory, not the hypothesis that there could be a recovery, that is, that the relationship could rise again from its ashes, the hypothesis of a recovery of the relationship doesn’t exist at all. This is exactly what is happening to me. I am 36 years old, he is 34, we have a good history behind us since we were both in our early twenties, a mutual respect that is still there, because mutual respect disappears when your partner double-crosses you, or treats you badly, or behaves in a reprehensible way, which he has never done. I really have nothing to reproach him for, but this does not change the fact that I now feel him to be a foreign presence, not disturbing, not unpleasant, simply a foreign presence, which is no longer part of my private dimension. At the beginning the situation is strange, you don't expect it, also because the years spent together have been many, then you evaluate the situation, you feel an objective detachment, not only his but also yours. You no longer feel that very strong urge to see him that was there before, his figure no longer dominates your imagination, he slowly becomes a presence among the others, which week after week becomes more and more evanescent. You know that he has another world that is now the center of his thoughts, that is, to tell the truth, you don't even know it, but you imagine it, you try to see things in that way to detach him even more from your horizon, then maybe he's also just like a beaten dog licking his wounds, but even if that were the case, in the end he doesn't look for you, because he too takes it for granted that you have who knows what other alternative life, and so everyone tries to rationalize the separation, saying that anyway there's nothing to be done, it's all over now because the other has made his choice and gone his own way. But justifications or afterthoughts aside, what we are left with is the feeling of emptiness, of frustration, of impotence, you see time passing and him going away carried by time that passes, and you don't go looking for him , because you foresee, or in any case know that any attempt would be useless. It is a form of euthanasia of an emotional relationship, we give up treatment and propose to turn the page and start over! As if such a thing were possible! But how do you turn the page? There are difficulties, it is clear, because certain possibilities only come once in a lifetime, thinking that they can happen again is not fantasy but madness. And any story, assuming there could be any, would still have an obligatory point of comparison capable of devaluing it. Because what has been lost is always better than what exists and then he was truly there in my life, it was not a hypothesis. This is perhaps the most difficult aspect of the whole affair to accept, I don't have to put aside a story that was unpleasant for me, no! I have to put aside true things that were not at all indifferent to either him or me, in the end I will have to do it. When we broke up, or rather when we understood that a subsequent meeting would now be very unlikely, we made a promise, which seems absurd for two people breaking up. We promised to answer each other anyway, to hear each other anyway, even if only one of us felt the need to hear the other. At the moment, he didn't feel this need, he didn't show up again. I'm not 100% sure he won't show up again. I'd like him to get back to me. I told myself that I could call him, but I have the terrible fear of hearing a cold response that is not just a goodbye, but a "get out of my way!" He has never used these tones, and he probably wouldn't do it now either, but if it all ended in a polite ten minute conversation, well, what would be the point? I haven't heard from him for several days, I don't know what to hope for, perhaps it would be better to forget the past. Pasolini said that only living, only loving counts, not having lived, not having loved, however, having lived is still not indifferent. Leaving someone you can't stand is easy, leaving someone you loved and who loved you is not easy at all. Self-consolation reasoning isn't much use, it's like condolences after the death of a loved one. I feel just like a widower who is grieving after losing his life partner. Time will pass and everything will become more vague and indistinct, but now the memory is still close, I still have his image before my eyes, I remember the sound of his voice, I have kept all the chats with him, even the most banal ones, I keep them aside like a relic. Sometimes I feel completely stupid, I think I should finally get it into my head that our story is over, but I would at least like to know something about him, I would like to know if he's okay, because I'm not so sure that he's really better without me. I wonder how it is possible that everything has vanished and that he has completely removed the memories of our time together. I can't accept the idea that it all ended in ashes, I would at least like to have the certainty that he is better off without me, this would make me feel better. I feel totally incoherent, as if I were carried by waves of melancholy alternating with waves of detachment, I oscillate between opposite extremes, I have neither the courage nor the strength to decide and I do nothing, I spend the afternoons (luckily in the morning there is work) thrown into an armchair to fight with melancholy. Enough! I go to do the washing, I don't have to think too much and I also feel like someone who makes useless dramas, because what happens to me happens to a lot of people and there's nothing tragic or shocking about it. This is also a consolatory speech!

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  GAY DREAMS AND REAL LIFE
Posted by: gayprojectforum - 04-25-2024, 08:45 PM - Forum: Gay guys - No Replies

Hi Project,
everyone calls you that and I do too. I've been following Gay Project Forum since I was 16, now I'm 19, almost 20, and I started university this year. I can't deny that a world has opened up to me. Guys are not just fantastic creations, they really exist, even if the vast majority are straight, the problem is that I like them all, not just gays, who among other things hide, at least at university that's how it is. According to statistics there should be at least ten gays, but with the luck I have, if I risk having a half-talk with one, I'm sure I'll end up with yet another disappointment, with associated disgrace, and it's just something to avoid. I can't allow it. Four or five boys are really beautiful and send me into orbit, they are not the same as each other, they are quite different from each other but they still have all the requirements of my ideal guy: very direct, smiling, spontaneous. And those five are right at the top. I won't hide from you that they influence me, because I see them, apart from the fact that they are most likely straight, they are also too beautiful and I am a normal guy, at most one iota more, but with them there is no comparison.
 
My level of clumsiness towards them is such that one of them, the one I like the most, once invited me to a party but I didn't go there, and then I regretted it up for a week first of all because I didn't I went there and then because I thought he was upset and that maybe he would put me aside. But it didn't happen. He talks to me a little, even jokes a little, sometimes he makes grimaces with his face that are really expressive, when he wants to show surprise or disappointment at some of my answers. He usually makes a lot of faces. Once it occurred to me to tell him that I would congratulate his mother and father because they had made him so handsome, I waited for the right moment, that is, when he made an intelligent intervention in class and the professor underlined it. At the break I said to him: "I think I should congratulate your parents..." then I paused, he made the usual questioning grimace and I didn't feel like completing the sentence as I had planned it, and I changed the ending: “… because they made you so smart!” and this time he took it badly, a bit as if I was teasing him, so I tried to backtrack and make it a joke and I said to him: "You're right, sorry, I should have said why they made you so "Handsome!" And he made a perplexed face, at least apparently he took it as a joke and it all ended there, that is, his sulking ended there.
 
But maybe I went too far because I don't think anyone has ever treated him like that. He never stays with the other beautiful ones, but with the average ones both in terms of brain and physique, that is, with those like me. The others, however, do not court him, they consider him an outsized student, but they are not really interested in him as a person. He is a little more relaxed with me, we are not friends, in the classic sense, but it seems that he, at least there, has no friends. Sometimes we go to have breakfast together, because once I arrived very early in the morning and he was already there and since that day I have arrived very early every day, I don't think he arrives early to have breakfast with me, because in fact, at least I think, he arrived early even before I started arriving early too. And in any case by arriving early and entering the classroom first, we can take seats in the front row and I systematically place myself to the left of him, let's say that we are now a sort of permanent couple.
 
If we have a long break, i.e. not 15 minutes but an hour, many people leave and go look for some of their female friends from some other faculty, but not him! He stays in the classroom, gathers in a small group with the few who don't leave, chats a bit, even with me, or we start "the two of us" to do the same exercises, to see who does them first and best, I learn something and then I stay close to him, I really feel his physical warmth while staying side by side. Sometimes he leans on me a little, obviously all without malice, and it really makes me wince. Then there's the topic of girls, which doesn't really exist. He never talks about girls, never about sex, he doesn't give compliments of any kind, he behaves like a perfect English gentleman and even has that physical type a little. I would like to know if he has friends, obviously if he has a girlfriend and above all, if he has friends, what he talks about with them. As for studying together, sometimes it happens but only at university, in the library rooms. I don't think the idea of studying together "at home" and least of all "at home when the parents are away" has ever crossed his mind.
 
Honestly, he seems very studious but also a bit clumsy when it comes to sexual matters, obviously I don't have many elements to say this, but it almost seems that the topic doesn't concern him at all, he has dedicated himself to science! It doesn't really add up, I don't count it right, also because if someone is so beautiful, it's obvious that I'm going after him, and you can understand it, but you can expect that many girls will also run after him, but no! They don't run after him at all. I wonder, but how is it possible that a girl isn't attracted to him like a magnet? There's something not working. In our group there are also some girls, there aren't many, they are intelligent, however, it's okay that I don't know anything about them, but they don't really seem like much from a physical point of view. Either they are not interested (and it seems unlikely to me) or he is not interested, which, at the very least, could well be the case.
 
We at university don't have much time to talk, there's class and we have to study, the breaks are short, you could do it in the morning before entering, but there's breakfast and then we're not just the two of us because there are also others who arrive early, not many, but they are there and therefore there is no privacy and the chatter must all be standard. At university you see nice guys, at most you can sit next to one of them, but it all ends there. And instead I really have a thing for guys, but it's all about seeing and not touching, adding image to image for the imagination. Days ago a straight friend of mine (who doesn't know about me) told me that he uses a lot of pornography (obviously straight) and was surprised that I practically don't look at it because I have my personal catalog of fantasies accumulated at university and are a thousand times better than porn videos. He knows that the fast here will last for years yet. I really think there are few doubts! A couple of nights ago I dreamed of him: he told me that he needed me, that he loved me and also that he was jerking off thinking about me. It was a truly overwhelming, beautiful wet dream. One thing you never forget! But, damn, it was just a dream!

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  GAY LOVE AS AN ANTIDOTE TO DESPERATION
Posted by: gayprojectforum - 04-25-2024, 04:50 PM - Forum: Gay couples - No Replies

Hi Project, I've been reading your forum for years and I feel it is very close to my sensibility, something that doesn't happen to me practically anywhere else. I am approaching 40 years old, my boyfriend, or rather the one I consider my boyfriend, is no longer a boy either, he is 37. We have known each other for many years now and we have a very free relationship, which ultimately it's not a couple bond but our own way of loving each other.
 
Well, after so many years I am still enchanted by him and the relationship I have with him is very important to me. I don't know if I'm equally important to him, maybe not, but sometimes I understand that I have a role that is, if not irreplaceable, at least difficult to replace. In our relationship, sex has the utmost importance. He says he is polygamist and essentially he is, or rather he is in the best moments, when he still goes looking for adventures. But in dark moments, of disappointment and I would almost say depression, when the other guys push him away, he remembers me and knows that I wouldn't push him away for any reason, then he calls me, gives me some signal that, as he says, " he needs sex” an expression which perhaps means that he needs tenderness and availability.
 
Some days he contacts me late at night or in the morning before dawn, and he tells me that he is under my house, I obviously let him come up. He comes in, doesn't even say hello, undresses and goes to get into my bed (I always sleep in a double bed) which is still warm and I go and get next to him. He doesn't smile at me, he doesn't say anything, so I hug him and hold him close to me. I don't even ask him how he is doing, if he came to me it means that he is not well, that he is anxious, worried, that he has not felt welcomed or accepted by people who are important to him. In those moments, that is, in the moments when he feels rejected, he comes to visit me.
 
When he arrives at night, generally the next day he doesn't go to work, but sometimes I have to go to work, and so the time I can spend with him is limited, so we stay very close, I caress his hand or his hair, he doesn't even open eyes, sometimes a tear appears, perhaps he pities himself for his behavior, for coming to look for me as if he were my lover, which he isn't, because such a thing is not spontaneous for him and he doesn't understand why I always say yes to him, if he is not my lover. It may happen that in these situations we even get to have a little sex but in a way that is entirely ours and I think completely different from his way of living sex with other people. But it almost always happens that we don't end up having sex and this fact has extraordinary importance for him. He knows well that I would never say no to him, but he also knows that it's fine for me if he simply comes to sleep at my house. I'm happy when I think that he considers my house almost like a refuge and a warm den that is always available.
 
When he comes to me at night, he always puts himself on the side where I sleep, which is the one still warmed by the heat of my body, and not on the cold side. Seeing him inspires me with enormous tenderness, he is an adult man, affirmed and self-controlled, but I know a side of his personality that no one knows, I know his fragility, his emotional and even sexual needs, I accept him as he is and I love him. He knows this. Sometimes, looking into his eyes, I see a profound suffering, an inability to find true emotional correspondence. He would find and really finds as many boys to have sex as he wants, but they don't fall in love with him, they go after him because he is handsome, but they don't care about him as a person, his problems and his suffering, and when they get to know him better they put him aside.
 
I fell in love with him years ago, it wasn't an easy thing at all, but not in the sense that I wanted it and he didn't, but exactly the opposite, it was he who didn't give up on me, I thought it wouldn't work between us and I tried to avoid it in every way but he wanted our relationship not to end. There is also sex between us, when there is, and there has been practically since the beginning. At first I felt a little conditioned because I didn't understand many of his behaviors, then it passed, we talked about it seriously and I understood many things about his life. He knows everything about me and he would have some reason to keep me at a distance but he has never done it. He trusts me and this strikes me greatly.
 
Sometimes there are misunderstandings that even seem profound and it seems that we even end up at loggerheads, but when we leave each other the thing is already over, we know that we don't have to part keeping in our hearts the doubt whether our relationship is over or not, basically it's enough to say to each other: "I'll call you tomorrow !” and it is a way of making peace.
 
Years ago, since our relationships had nothing structured, and we said goodbye without ever making an appointment for the next time, just as a guarantee of freedom, I systematically panicked every time I didn't hear from him for more than seven days, because I thought he was now permanently gone, but some days after he used to reappeared when I least expected it. Project, I think one thing, and I learned it from him: people, even those who seem most fulfilled, can carry everything within themselves: states of profound suffering, serious illnesses that they never talk about, they can experience profound frustrations and can truly need affection, love, in every sense. I come to think that love is essentially sharing the pain, the anxiety, the suffering of the other, the fact of being there when needed, even without words, even if you don't have the possibility of truly changing things in the other's life it means not running away, not leaving the other in his anxiety, his fear and his loneliness.
 
In some objectively difficult situations I experienced moments of total sharing with him even while having sex, a kind of sex as a remedy for desperation, because sometimes that's exactly what happens. The desire to be accepted without reservations is very strong, the emotional horizon is almost entirely black and the respect and love of one's partner appears to be the only hope of not being alone, the only salvation. Loving means accepting a person for who he is, in his totality, it means understanding his suffering, even the hidden one, understanding the meaning of that person's speeches beyond words. I would like to do everything to make my boyfriend happy, I love him, I think he is a man of great dignity and a big heart.
 
We have a very strange relationship, which no one would understand, but it makes sense to us, it makes us feel better, it makes us understand that we are not alone, that there is at least one who understands us completely and who loves us. I'm thinking about him intensely and I'm getting emotional, I'm thinking back to everything we experienced together and the fact that he gave meaning to my life. I really wish he would read this post and that at least for a while he could put away the melancholy!

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  IMPORTANT NOTICE
Posted by: gayprojectforum - 04-25-2024, 01:56 PM - Forum: Announcements and Services - No Replies

I inform all users of this Forum that I have been forced to close the download service of the Gay Project Library due to the massive and unexpected increase in downloads to unimaginable levels. The increase in traffic is decidedly anomalous, especially on sites in Italian, and suggests that 99% or more of the accesses are automatic accesses managed through artificial intelligence and are not aimed at the real interests of people seeking information on the subject matter. of the Forum.

I remind you that the forum is entirely self-managed "without advertising" and that maintaining traffic at the current level would have unsustainable costs. I apologize to all the "REAL" users of the forum, for whom the Forum was created, and who see themselves deprived of a fundamental means of information, but the issue had to be resolved quickly and we could not proceed in any other way . We will try to study methods of accessing the library reserved for REAL users of the forum. This inconvenience is a sign of what the internet is becoming.

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  GAY SEX AND DEPRESSION
Posted by: gayprojectforum - 04-25-2024, 12:58 PM - Forum: Gay discomfort - No Replies

The title of this post, “Gay sex and depression”, may sound strange, because it brings together two concepts that are often considered opposite and irreconcilable, as if sex could be the medicine for all ills. Normally, it is precisely the young people who do not have the possibility of accessing couple-sex who consider it to be a medicine for all ills. When those young people then get to live their sexual couple-experiences, they realize a truth that is as elementary as it is denied, that is, not only is sex strongly inhibited by depressive states of various origins, but it can itself be the cause of depressive states.
 
Saying sex, in a generic way, means putting radically different situations together in a single category. If two guys are truly in love with each other, their first sexual contacts take place under the pressure of a very strong and mutual sexuality and affection. A situation of this kind has very little in common with the sexuality experienced by two mature or even elderly men, perhaps during an illness. Sex is not a pure fact, but has a weight and value depending on the meaning it takes on in the specific case. Sex experienced with the conscience and desire to betray one's partner is very different from sex experienced as reconciliation between two partners who decide to get back together after a period of separation. 
 
So let's ask ourselves a question: "When can sex induce depressive reactions?". We are not talking about disappointing sex, tolerated but not authentically wanted or about sex with the wrong person or with a person who is proving to be or has proven to be the wrong person, we are talking about depressive sex, that is a sexual contact at the end of which we are objectively worse off than before, we have the impression of having lent ourselves to something that essentially does not interest us if it does not even repel us. Depressive sex ends with the question, “What am I doing here?”
 
I underline that there is generally no coercion on the part of others, the depressed person who perhaps sought sexual contact an hour before asks himself: “Why did I do it? What did I expect?” Depressive means accompanied by demotivation, i.e. depressed person has no rational responsethe to the question “why did I do it?”, the depressed person finds only a single answer: "The motivation basically wasn't there, I created it for myself, as if sex were the answer to a real need, which however doesn't exist." In other words, sex is a false need, which once satisfied demonstrates all its lack of significance.
 
The true depressive mechanism does not have an external motivation, it is not a reaction to the behavior of others, but it is the systematic devaluation of one's own motivations and derives from the idea that there is nothing that makes sense, not even sex, which is devalued and emptied from the inside because it is deprived of any possible communicative value. Depression already significantly reduces the tendency to verbal dialogue, which is understood as a vehicle for possible accusations and aggressions, and favors languages based on presence, enriched where appropriate by significant behaviors or by a few very clear words cleaned up from any rhetoric.
 
The depressed person does not avoid sex, the depressed person does not refuse sex, the problem is not there, the problem is in the absence of motivation, in having sex as if it were just anything, which does not create a better form of communication or better does not create any communication at all, but it is pure fact. The depressed person doesn't feel the emotion of waiting before meeting his boyfriend, he doesn't feel the feeling of emptiness when his boyfriend goes away for a few days, he doesn't really want emotional contact with his boyfriend, he experiences all these situations in substantially detached manner.
 
Often the disinterest is not shown and the partner of a depressed guy does not even realize that his partner is depressed and, in cases where he realizes it, he does everything to show his concern for his partner, often in an anxious and invasive way. Often the depressed person's lack of reactivity is mistaken for disinterest or even rejection.
 
It should be underlined that in many cases, in young guys, depression is a transitory phenomenon and does not have marked pathological characteristics. For these guys, an anxious and worried climate about their state of mental health is certainly harmful. The depressed gay guy at this level seems to escape company but certainly likes to feel at the center of another guy's attention, but it must not be the attention that would be given to someone who is considered a pathological case.
 
Within certain limits, the mild forms of non-reactive depression most common among young people are not true pathologies but normal variants of the character which can also have, in certain periods of life, a depressive polarization.
 
The depressed guy must under no circumstances be marginalized, not even when he himself seems to be trying to distance himself from the group. To a proposal for a meeting or an activity with a group of friends, the depressed guy spontaneously tends to say no, but that no must be followed by a certain insistence from the group. If the group, at the first negative response of the depressed guy, puts him out of the group, it does serious damage to that guy, because it supports the depressive tendency and the feeling of exclusion.
 
The depressed guy generally tends not to do, but not to destroy what already exists. A depressed guy who has a couple-life won't demolish it in the name of his depression, he will live it as something that exists but has no real motivation.
 
Special attention must be paid by the partner to requests for sexual contact from depressed guys, because being told no to a request for sexual contact is seen by a depressed guy as a refusal, still in some way permissible, if the rejection does not come from one's usual partner, but when the rejection comes from one's usual partner, it clearly appears as a rejection of the person.
 
We must not forget that a depressed guy struggles to build strong interpersonal relationships, because his behavior displaces the other guys, who remain perplexed and turn away. Only in some cases is real contact created, but when this happens, generally, the resulting relationship is strong and also mutual. The depressed guy may also devalue sex with his partner, but the relationship he has with his partner is really fundamental for him because the alternatives would be few or anyhow very improbable.
 
Depressed guys generally maintain long-term relationships with their partners. The meaning of these relationships cannot be easily understood from the outside. A relationship with a depressed guy cannot be considered in any way trivial or unrewarding a priori, it all depends on the personality of the other partner. I can say that I have seen stable couples, lasting decades, with one partner tending to be depressed. It should be underlined that many forms of depression resolve spontaneously, many times even if not always, because guys are placed in an authentically affective environment.
 
A relationship with a depressed guy must be approached with responsibility and awareness, because the feeling of frustration is always lurking. The sense of dealing with something ease to deal with, that hides behind the naive but gratifying declaration "I will save you!" is destined to clash with a reality that only rewards long-term efforts and true commitments. Most guys quickly distance themselves from depressed guys because they don't feel them as possible friends or partners, but those very few guys who manage to build a real relationship with a depressed guy and are able to recognize its value, beyond the common categories used to evaluate a relationship, not only feel gratified but discover a kind of parallel universe, in which there is also depression, but there are many other things and above all there is a real relationship, even if apparently subdued, a relationship that does not fade, which may be light, non-exclusive, but lasts for years.
 
Building a relationship with a guy means accepting him as he is, not trying to change him, and this rule applies even more to depressed guys who want to be accepted as they are, with their depression, with their mood swings, with their refusing to speak, with their emotional needs, always denied, but still present.  The smile of a depressed guy is very rare, but when it appears it is actually a ray of sunshine and it is the best reward for the guy who has dedicated if not all at least a good part of his life to that guy.

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  COOLING OF A GAY COUPLE AND UNCERTAINTY
Posted by: gayprojectforum - 12-12-2023, 04:16 AM - Forum: Gay couples - No Replies

Hi Project, I don't know you personally but I have read several of the things you have written and I would say that I also feel them to be mine, something more mine and something less, but I feel these things are really mine.

Today, talking to my partner, I found him cold and detached, a strange feeling, if we want, it's not the first time it's happened, but before, that is, more or less until six months ago, it never happened. For an observer looking from outside nothing has changed between us, we see each other rather rarely, as before, every three or four weeks, because we live in different cities, and I think that the reason for his current behavior is all in the fact that he is bored or better tired of me, I don't even think he has another guy, before when he had one, things between us were great anyway, but now he just doesn't feel my presence anymore.

Last month I went to him, as we always did, but sex was absolutely out of his thaughts, he didn't show any signs of involvement, while the other times it always happened, I mean he was never erect and even when we went to bed , more to overcome the embarrassment than anything else, the erection was exceptional, whereas before it was the rule. I didn't know what to do, I asked him if there was something wrong but he just said that he was tired and that he had been working too much, but such things never happened before.

And, apart from the sex, which there was practically none of, we didn't even talk, just silly things and complaining about work problems. We usually had serious communication, but this time nothing. Usually he was always the first to talk about sex, but now he doesn't do it, because even when we talk on the cell phone we talk about everything, from politics to war but we never talk about sex, it's as if the switch had turned off, and I also begin to ask myself: "What the hell am I doing with him?" I'm starting to feel like a stranger, I'm contemplating plans for revenge because I feel abandoned without any declaration of hostility, basically abandoned, despite an apparent continuation of our relationship, which continues the usual way, so to speak.

When we talk I would like him to also talk about sex, like he did before, when it was practically an obsession, but that doesn't happen now. I thought he might probably expect me to talk about it, but I feel embarrassed too. I should take the initiative, but if he's really in love with another guy, well, then it would be better, much better for him to go his own way, not because he found another guy, but because he has definitely distanced from me, that is, he let himself be completely absorbed by another guy, even if I don't really see him 100% involved in a story with a guy, I think I'm not wrong about this but sometimes I think that perhaps I really don't know him at all.

I continue to dream that he remembers me, because I have very beautiful memories of him, but the fact is that they are memories, which before were the present but now are only the past. I keep calling him on the phone and sometimes he calls me too, but if I suggest that we meet up, he takes his time, he puts it off, he doesn't say no, he just says that he's very busy with his work, but it wasn't like that before, years ago he used to come at my house without warning at any time of day or night, and there was a strong and mutual sexual drive, but now he makes excuses, runs away, avoids telling me what's on his mind, if I try to insist he cuts it short and tells me he's busy and has no time to spend.

I don't understand how everything could have changed so quickly and so radically. Sometimes I blame myself, I think that if he does this I must have done something to him that he didn't like at all, because I don't see any other possible reasons for this cooling of relations. When I feel bad, I think that if the story has to end anyway, I might as well put an end to it immediately: the sooner it ends the better, and I expect it to actually end, but it doesn't end, when a little time passes and I start to think that he won't call me anymore, the call comes, which undoubtedly makes me happy, but then it's an inconsistent call and in the end I'm left with it even worse and I ask myself, why is he calling me just to complain about work? And I think that maybe he has another guy with whom he is madly in love and with whom he has sex but who wouldn't listen to him if he started complaining to him about work and so he calls me, because I'm the spare wheel or worse the dump, for say no more, where you can unload your frustrations and anxieties.
 
I'm not angry with him, he has his character, we are compatible up to a certain point, but we respect each other, he is not aggressive towards me, he is a good guy but sometimes I really don't understand him. Ok, you have your worries and your thoughts, but saying one word to me, just one, to make me feel calm would ultimately cost you nothing. What do you do in these situations? Do you throw everything away or do you be patient and wait for the bad times to pass? I feel really lost, I really don't know what to do. In the end I won't do anything and I'll try not to even let him know how I feel, I just hope it doesn't last too long because I might not last too long in such a situation. What would you think about this story, Project?

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  GAY SEX AND AFFECTIVE INVOLVEMENT
Posted by: gayprojectforum - 11-05-2023, 09:50 PM - Forum: Gay couples - No Replies

The very easy access to pornography at an extremely early age has contributed to spreading the idea according to which sex is a reality substantially disconnected from affectivity, that is something that can be done, or rather that is done, or worse, that must be done as a form of fun or self-gratification, if not even as a means of asserting your power. This way, in adolescence, guys end up liking better a porn video than committing themselves to building a relationship, possibly even sexual, with a real guy, and then, in more mature age, preferring very short contacts of only sex, which a priori exclude any possibility of emotional involvement.

The radical separation that seems to exist between sexuality and affectivity gives, at the beginning, an intoxicating sensation of freedom, but in the long run it ends up no longer being gratifying. Sex, while maintaining a very strong capacity for attraction, becomes or seems to become something abstract, impersonal, and "what you do" clearly prevails over "who you do it with". In practice one experiences sex, or rather one has the impression of experiencing sex without a true affective dimension, but it would be even better to say that one experiences sex as a substitute for a frustrated or, worse, radically denied affective dimension, but that affective dimension, however denied, smolders under the ashes.
 
The habit of denying feelings to enhance immediate sexuality leads on the one hand to an affectless sexuality and on the other to a compensatory or frustrated or highly sublimated affectivity. It is as if two distinct sides of the personality emerged in the same individual, one characterized by a sexuality substantially devoid of affectivity and the other by a basically disembodied and sublimated affectivity.
 
It should be underlined that what I just said shouldn't be taken too literally, I mean, for example, that sublimated sexualities do not exclude sexual relationships at all, but these relationships are often highly dissymmetrical, that is, they are strongly participated by the partner who experiences them with a true emotional involvement while they are experienced as a duty, almost a tribute to be paid for the stability of the couple, by the partner for whom the relationship is and remains sublimated not for the absence of immediate sexuality but for the absence of deep involvement in that sexuality.
 
It is necessary to underline that when we talk about sexual education we insist almost exclusively on the technical aspects of sexuality, on contraceptive techniques and on sexually transmitted diseases, completely neglecting education on affectivity. In essence, even institutionalized sexual education tends to confirm the distinction or rather the separation between sex and affectivity, limiting itself to dealing only with sex. For a gay boy, raised in an environment that is still strongly male chauvinist today, in which sex seems to be the door to happiness, the idea of a "sex only" relationship is the most obvious path to the search for happiness, that is, the path towards which we orient ourselves unconsciously, in other words the preference for "sex only" does not present itself as a choice but as something that appears automatic and therefore spontaneous, even if in fact it is a choice induced or at least profoundly conditioned from the outside. It is as if we were instinctively afraid of affection, as if we wanted to keep ourselves safe from the risks that an emotional relationship can entail. This is how “sex only” relationships are born.
 
In the rest of this article I intend to show how, by observing gay reality closely, we can realize that many, if not very many relationships classified by one of the two partners, or even by both, as "sex only" relationships, in reality they are by no means just sexual relationships but respond to deep emotional needs that lie behind immediate sexuality, which are rarely seen, but which are the basis of the relationship. It should be kept in mind that building a serious emotional relationship, even just a friendship with a guy you meet in real life, takes time and that the offer of a hit-and-run sexual encounter, typical of sexual encounters (not relationships) that can easily materialize via social media or apps, despite the related health risks, it is an alternative that is not only immediate but substantially disengaged, two characteristics that make it particularly attractive.
 
I would add that in cases where the influence of social media and apps remains limited and the attempt to build an emotional relationship begins, with all the burden of expectations that such an emotional investment entails, the risk of encountering disappointment is however high, because the probability of meeting a truly compatible guy on the first try is still low. Disappointments, especially if repeated, only confirm the idea that making an effort to build a serious emotional relationship is in most cases equivalent to wasting time and that the search for a bit of casual sex through an app is ultimately an acceptable alternative if not even the only acceptable alternative.
 
To continue the discussion in a less abstract way, let's first try to clarify what is meant by the emotional dimension of a gay relationship. The affection between two guys manifests itself in a very limited way, even when it exists and is strong, it is a feeling that we must learn to recognize even through abrupt behavior and sometimes difficult to interpret. Affection between guys is much more similar to friendship than to sexual involvement, it is made up of loyalty, respect, and generally does not manifest itself in clear expressions.
 
We must never lose sight of a principle: when too many words are used to express a simple concept, the concept is very weak. Serious emotional communication can also exist without words and reasoning, because it is essentially expressed through symbolic gestures and above all behaviors. It is difficult for guys to use language similar to that used between a guy and a girl and generally for a guy an affectivity that is also very masculine is much more acceptable and shareable. A gay guy instinctively avoids behaviors that may appear feminine and does not accept at all the possibility of being considered a substitute for a girl, that is, of being treated like a girl by his partner. The immediacy and sexual complicity with a guy, in many cases, is not only a form of joking or camaraderie but also has an emotional value, even if not explicit, as happens between guys.
 
Male affection often manifests itself in the acceptance of the other without reservations, in trusting the other, in speaking with him in a frank and explicit way, even brutal, if necessary, in asking and giving help whenever the need arises, in listening to each other, in talking with each other to have the pleasure of dealing with someone you can trust. It happens and not too rarely that the reluctance of guys to express an emotional interest in another guy is overcome through sex, which, paradoxical as it seems, is often considered by guys to be more suitable for them, that is, less feminine, than other external manifestations of affectivity.
 
I have known many stable gay couples for many years, if you meet them on the street they just seem like a couple of friends but they still have their own affection which for example manifests itself in the tendency to willingly give in to one's partner, that is, to willingly accept that he is right, in always finding acceptable justifications for his behavior, in giving him small signs of attention, such as resolving moments of misunderstanding lightly, never accusing one's partner, preserving the couple's privacy with the utmost care and also with absolute respect for the freedom of the other. In general, gays don't like relationships that are too close, they ask their partner and tend to guarantee them a notable level of freedom while at the same time guaranteeing the solidity of their relationship.
 
All the typical behaviors of a gay emotional relationship to which I have referred are apparently little correlated with sexuality and can be found to varying degrees even in couples of friends united by a particularly deep emotional relationship. In reality, both the emotional bonds of a couple and deep friendships also have at their basis a motivation related to sexual compatibility, which in friendships remains muted and in couple bonds progressively takes on a fundamental role, it is essentially a form of compatibility, more or less extended to various aspects of the personality, which determines the niceness of the other. While in friendships the other's niceness, however extensive, encounters limits, in couple relationships it is almost taken for granted that the other's niceness does not or cannot have any limits.
 
In deep emotional relationships, which in themselves entail notable levels of gratification for the people involved, there is a whole series of behaviors aimed at preserving the relationship and preventing moments of crisis, such as never pushing the confrontation too far if one realizes that finding a point of balance, on that specific topic and at that moment, is difficult, never resorting to ultimatums, never threatening the end of the relationship as the final sanction of a disagreement, never interrupting an evening of discussion without an explicit and clear reconciliation or sending an affectionate text message to make it clear that, despite the misunderstandings, the relationship is not in crisis.
 
The couple affection differs from that typical of friendship because it also manifests itself in sexuality and perhaps has its most delicate aspects here. As already mentioned, the excess of words is symptomatic of the lack of content and this is especially true in the sexual field, where words, and especially words out of place and out of context, can be seriously counterproductive, not in themselves but because they constitute a distraction. Sexuality and sexual affectivity are essentially manifested through behaviors that do not in themselves need words. A sincere hug has an emotional meaning that cannot be expressed in words. This means that the absence of words or the reduction of words to a minimum in moments of sexual contact is one of the most important symptoms of the couple's emotional cohesion. Affective sex, that is, sex that involves the deep levels of the person, is done in silence, because it requires concentration and reciprocity.
 
Silence does not only mean silence between the partners but also isolation from the outside, dedicating oneself to each other without external interference of any kind. I think it has happened to many couples to experience a highly disturbing situation, that is, hearing the telephone ring during sexual contact, what is already unpleasant in itself but if the partner feels he has to answer and does so, the atmosphere of sexual involvement and couple intimacy completely disappears and a reaction of disappointment arises, if the phone call is short, but the reaction becomes of rejection, if the phone call is long. Respect for the rule of silence involves turning off cell phones and disconnecting the telephone line in every situation where a true form of intimacy must be sought.
 
Turning off your cell phone when you meet your partner to have sex (but the rule applies in general) and doing it in front of your partner, so that the gesture is significant, is an important sign of couple sexual affection, it is a way to say: "I'm here for you, this evening will be just for us, and we'll leave everything else out!" But also things apparently external have an emotional value, such as having your partner find a well-arranged bedroom and a bed with fresh sheets and pillowcases, or a bathroom with a clean bathrobe. These small signs of attention have enormous significance because they indicate care and respect towards your partner and his needs.
 
The core of a couple's sexual affectivity lies in attention to the needs and emotional moments of your partner, that is, it consists in putting aside the idea of realizing your fantasies to concentrate on making your partner feel absolutely at ease, I mean that the core of a couple's sexual affection is constituted by “sexual altruism”, which must be mutual in order not to compromise the balance of the couple. There is a series of symptoms of sexual altruism that is useful to take into consideration: remembering things said by your partner, trying to find a connection between those contents, reconstructing or repeating situations that the partner found particularly engaging, responding to a playful approach maintaining a playful tone, but also apparently much more banal things, such as responding to a smile with a smile or not insisting if you realize that your partner is not enthusiastic about your behavior.
 
Insistence, in a moment of sexual intimacy, not only violates the rule of silence but is the clear manifestation of a selfish attitude. What happens in sexual contact must be truly shared, that is, wanted or rather desired by both partners. Unfortunately, it often happens that one of the two partners ends up accepting, or rather passively tolerating, some of the other's initiatives and this is already a symptom of strong dissymmetry and suffering within the couple. However, situations are also encountered in which the selfish behavior of one of the partners leads him to neglect not partially but completely the expectations of his partner, this is the case in which one of the partners, after having reached orgasm, feels authorized to get up and leave as if nothing had happened. In such a situation, even compliance with the minimum standards of respect is lost and the relationship can become completely intolerable for the other partner.
 
A particularly delicate moment is created after sexual contact, when the phase of sexual silence ends and the two partners return to words. In those moments, affectivity manifests itself through the integration of sexuality in the context of a relationship also made up of daily and ordinary life. The feeling that you're meeting your partner only to have sex with him can be depressing. If after sex you eat something together, relax, listen to some music, talk about other things, especially if you address personal topics and discuss things in a serious way, you show in facts that you are not together just to have sex and that the emotional dimension is not limited to sexuality alone.
 
After having given a picture of the affectivity within the gay couple, let's return to " sex-only relationships". First of all, it should be underlined that "sex-only relationships" have nothing to do with episodic and casual sexual encounters that can be achieved through apps, precisely because these are relationships that last over time and have considerable stability and therefore help partners to achieve high levels of reciprocal knowledge and intimacy. This fact alone can authorize to believe that a couple bond exists which also has a strong emotional dimension. If an apparently fragile relationship, which is subject to upheavals and difficulties of various kinds, manages to withstand the difficulties, one is entitled to believe that both partners have a serious interest in maintaining the relationship.
 
Looking closely at these couple relationships we realize that, despite the theoretical qualification of "single-sex relationships", many of the typical elements of gay affectivity that we examined previously are present and concretely operational within these couples. The partners deny that solidarity exists between them so as not to feel dependent, but solidarity certainly exists, attention to what the other says, to his behavior and his desires certainly exists, as does absolute sincerity and desire to show oneself and I would say to reveal oneself to one's partner without hiding anything and the desire to be accepted by him for who one really is.
 
Among other things, these couples lack the filler chatter and the sweet banalities with which we often try to fill our daily lives, the words are few, but they are all words that have a meaning, sometimes a certain aggressiveness manifests itself which derives by the desire to have one's say and to say it all even at the cost of being contradicted with the same tone, because ultimately one has the certainty that that relationship will not collapse in any case. It is certainly a relationship that has found or seems to have found its strong point in sex, but on closer inspection the real strong point consists in the fact that both partners have the substantial certainty that that relationship will not fail, that if one of them will need to have the partner close by he will find him close.

For these couples, the pauses between two meetings are never too long and not because of sexual reasons but because partners need to meet even if sometimes at long intervals in order to confirm that the relationship exists and will continue to exist. In many couples who are officially "sex-only", sexual fidelity, understood as exclusivity, may not exist, but anyhow emotional fidelity, understood as stability, still exists, which, beyond labels, is the substance of the relationship.

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  GAYS BETWEEN DREAM AND REAL WORLD
Posted by: gayprojectforum - 10-22-2023, 10:43 AM - Forum: Gay discomfort - Replies (2)

Hi Project,
I am a faithful reader of Gay Project Forum, when I read it I get moments of enthusiasm because I see so many beautiful stories, that is, so many stories that end well, then I compare what I read on the forum with what I have experienced and still experience in first person and it doesn't add up. But is it possible that I always find the wrong people? That I always end up getting myself into unmanageable situations? But why guys like those who send you their stories don't happen to me too? I haven't found any monsters of perversion or bad people, none of this! I only found guys who wanted to have a bit of fun, who happily didn't care about I really was. Some of these guys had even constructed a kind of philosophical or psychological or sociological theory to give a scientific appearance to their speech. In practice, at the bottom of this theory there is a statement that is taken for granted and that is that people acts only for their own benefit, or for their own ego, so much so that any altruistic action is falsely altruistic, because the true end it is the individual gratification resulting from feeling altruistic and therefore better than others. This theory should be based on experience, and looking at what happened to me I should say that it is a rather realistic theory. But if I read certain stories on the forum I am really moved, I like them, I find my life model in them! Does that mean I didn't grow up and like fairy tales? Have I to take it for granted that selfish theories are well founded and that the world is just a balance of selfishness? Maybe that will also be the rule, but if I like exceptions and if I want to feel like an exception, does this happen just because I am an ungrown child? Last week, after about a month and some encouraging signs from him, I called an ex of mine who had left and blamed me for my frequent unavailability, basically I didn't like being under anyone's orders. I call him, we talk, but he seems like a stranger to me, someone I really know nothing about, someone I didn't understand anything about. At first he seemed different to me, I felt close to him, at least in many respects, he was my idol for a few years, then I wake up and realize that the dream is over. The phone call wasn't short, we talked about a thousand things, I had the role of listener, or at most I was authorized to agree, if I tried to say that I saw things another way he got angry and raised his voice. It was his way of telling me: "if you want to come back with me you have to do what I say and that's it!" But I can't accept something like that, I'm nobody's doormat and I don't want masters. I didn't raise my voice, I waited patiently for a moment of calm in the conversation (because when he starts preaching in full force he never stops!) and I greeted him politely. When I hung up the phone I felt like I had regained my freedom. I had called him back to see if it made sense to try to get together with him again, well, now I have had the clearest confirmation: it doesn't make any sense! Me on the leash of someone like that? Freedom is a wonder! Now a week has passed, I miss him a little, that is, I don't miss him, I miss my imagination about him and so I read a story from Project that gives me a little enthusiasm. I really don't believe that things like the ones I read in stories will happen to me, but dreaming is beautiful anyway, dreaming of a world without selfishness elevated to the norm of humanity, without people who say they love you because they have to put a leash on you, and also without chronic idiots like me who continue to believe in dreams throughout their lives.

Franz

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  GAYS AND SEXUAL DISCOMFORT
Posted by: gayprojectforum - 10-21-2023, 09:20 PM - Forum: Gay discomfort - No Replies

This post, based on the experience gained in Gay Project, will analyze the uncomfortable situations related to sexuality typical of gays. It is appropriate to organize the discussion following the time periods of life and the different possible living conditions.

Discomforts of gay adolescence, from 12-13 to 17-18.
Discomforts of gay youth, from 18-19 to around 35-40.
Discomforts of mature gay age, from 35-40 years old, up to around 60-65.
Discomforts of gay old age, from about 60-65 years onwards.

It goes without saying that the time limits reported are merely indicative and that the boundaries between age classes are very elastic. Here I'm going to to talk only about discomfort, it is therefore appropriate to clarify what is meant by discomfort.

DISCOMFORT

The Treccani Vocabulary (one of the most accredited dictionaries in Italy) defines discomfort as follows: "Sense of pain and annoyance felt due to the inability to adapt to an environment, to a situation, also for moral reasons." The term discomfort therefore implies a situation of maladjustment, "feeling outside", "feeling different", "difficulty or impossibility of integration into the group".

The center of the discomfort is the difficulty or impossibility of homologation, that is, of convinced and not merely formal adaptation to commonly accepted rules, customs or social behaviors. It is clear that the discomfort understood in this way can derive either from individual factors (life conditions, personality, character, family, educational, small group factors and, unfortunately, also objectively pathological factors, which when present require the intervention of specialists) or by social factors (irrational collective adhesion to a single form of thought, dogmatic and authoritarian thinking, absence of critical thinking, tendency towards strict and even forced homologation, repressive education), or by a mix of individual factors and social factors.

It should be underlined that in the rest of this article I will focus on forms of discomfort not linked to pathologies but originating exclusively from a more or less distorted and forced application of traditional patterns of social interaction.

Homologation means formal inclusion in a group following the recognition of possession of all the requirements needed to be part of that group. Homologues feel part of the group, they see their opinions shared and strengthened by the group, that is, they feel at least in certain respects "equal" to the other members of the group and tend to perceive and characterize non-homologues as "different", strangers to the group and not integrable.

The more dense, analytical and prescriptive the list of characteristics required to be approved in the group is, the more closed and "exclusive" the group is, that is, it tends to rigidly keep out those who are not approved, to therefore exclude any form of integration of the "different ”.

There is no need to say that sexual orientation and sexual behavior are among the most common and most important elements for the purposes of homologation in a group. These elements are also conditioning in groups in which, formally, it is not possible to make any reference to them or they are explicitly excluded, one could say that they operate underground and unconsciously.

Already from this concept of social discomfort it is easy to understand the origin of the discomfort of gays, to whom the category of "different" is attributed par excellence, hence the social invisibility that has historically characterized gays for centuries, precisely as a persecuted group, invisibility which, although attenuated in recent decades, still exists heavily at a local and family level.

EDUCATION AND DISCOMFORT

Attention to the educational phase of the new generations can show and has historically showed different, if not opposite attitudes in societies characterized by different political regimes.

In societies characterized by dictatorial regimes, education has been aimed at "educational homologation", that is, gradually induced through a dogmatic education in which belonging to the group is everything and freedom of thought and individual freedom itself must also be sacrificed to that belonging. The individual exists as a function of the group and not the group as a function of the individual. All stages of education are socialized, individualism is repressed, blind and absolute obedience is considered the highest virtue. Education in Nazi Germany was organized on this basis.

In societies characterized by pluralist democratic regimes, i.e. in societies that did not promote a single and dogmatic thought, but dialogue and confrontation between different opinions, education enjoyed significantly greater levels of freedom and parliamentary dialectics itself was an example of group organization widely used locally. Non-repressive education does not tend towards forced homologation, it does not valorize obedience but the autonomy of thought and respect for pluralism, that is, it tends to integrate the "different" by requiring minimum homologation criteria such as adherence to widely shared constitutional principles, completely excluding non-social but individual characteristics such as sexual orientation. In many Northern European countries this educational model has been applied for decades and has significantly limited situations of discomfort.

DISCOMFORT AND EDUCATIONAL TABOOS

When we talk about education we tend to overlap two distinct concepts, that of education proper and that of instruction. The two terms concern decidedly different areas. Educating means encouraging the natural development of an individual's tendencies. Instructing means first of all providing knowledge and integrating technical skills. The difference between the two areas is manifested for example in the fact that we talk about "technical education" (knowing how to do something specific, at a professional level) but we talk about "sexual education" (i.e. accompanying the psycho-sexual development of an individual so that he has greater awareness of himself and others in the context of sexual contacts). 

Unfortunately, sex education often turns into sexual instruction, that is, into the mere transmission of minimal knowledge regarding contraceptive precautions and the prevention of sexually transmitted diseases, in order to technically manage sexual contacts in a non-risky way. This is certainly an important and necessary thing but a thousand miles away from a sexual education capable of undermining perverse mechanisms such as those that lead to feminicide.

Education, at an institutional level, increasingly tends to transform itself into instruction for the preparation of trained technicians for their entry into the world of work, and in this way the individual dimension remains highly marginalized and the need for education is silently forget. It is as if in reality there were educational taboos, which institutional education must be careful not to deal with and sexual education is the most classic of educational taboos. 

Sexual education, neglected at an institutional level, is in fact delegated to other educational agencies, which do not appear to be such but which carry out, for better or for worse, a decisive function in the educational process of the new generations, I am speaking in particular of the churches and religious communities on one side and pornography on the other. 

The almost without exception abandonment of sexual education in the hands of these agencies is quite like a blank delegation issued to suspicious entities due to "conflict of interest". Sexual education should not be delegated either to churches or to pornography because churches (all churches, albeit to varying degrees) have dogmatic views of sexuality and pornography has exclusively commercial purposes (with enormous turnover). Due to their very constitution, these realities lack a secular and pluralist vision capable of reducing discomfort and increasing the level of integration even of the so-called "different".

With these premises in mind we can move on to a specific topic.

DISCOMFORTS OF GAY ADOLESCENCE

A guy who faces adolescence gradually becomes aware of his physical change and the progressive development of his sexuality, something about which, among other things, he cannot talk seriously with anyone, neither in his family nor outside (educational taboo) and at the same time time is subjected to educational pressures especially from the family or the church (much less from the school) which place various kinds of expectations on him and tend to propose and enhance socially accepted behavioral models, at least in theory, but strongly oriented towards homologation. 
If a heterosexual guy is pushed by family talk to look for a girl to feel grown up and in this (in a more or less immature way) he can find real gratification, a guy who feels attracted to guys and not to girls, in a similar situation, will not be able to help but feel profound discomfort and this will lead to very early access to pornography with the risk of considering it a true model of sexual behavior.

But if the discomfort exists and is already significant for a gay guy interested in his peers, the discomfort will be much stronger for guys interested in adult men or in particular sexual practices, which are not very popular and are considered (often completely prejudicially) significantly pathological. These guys actually risk not finding acceptance or understanding even in gay environments where, contrary to what one might think, certain forms of prejudice are still present. Paradoxical as it may seem, even gay environments may not be inclusive.

The discomfort is even stronger on the part of trans people for whom the integration process is still in its infancy and still encounters enormous difficulties. For persons with experiences of this type, adolescence is a very difficult age, because their reality, in fact, must develop without any external support and indeed in clear contrast with family or social environments which tend to require if not demand forced homologations.

There are both forms of discomfort typical of gay adolescence and complications of the forms of discomfort also common to straight kids, linked specifically to gay sexuality.

A gay guy, if he feels that his family has homophobic attitudes and wants to avoid misunderstandings or disruptive clashes, must avoid talking about homosexuality, must not have books or newspapers that talk about homosexuality, must behave externally like a straight person, or at least must avoid displaying attitudes that could be interpreted as signs of homosexuality, for example having a special friend, spending little time with women, showing signs of nervousness or rebellion when faced with homophobic attitudes from a family member, etc. etc..

The problem of masturbation and attempts to repress it to respect more or less shared religious precepts is also common to straight guys, especially believers or presumed believers. Even for straight guys it is embarrassing to confess to the priest that they have masturbated, but for them the problem ends there. When a gay guy understands that the problem for him is not reduced to confessing that he has masturbated but that he should tell the priest that he did it thinking of a man, the situation of discomfort becomes deeper and the circumstance that it was about masturbation with gay fantasies is in fact often omitted, which causes other scruples of a religious nature.

Many behaviors that in a heterosexual context are absolutely not anxiety-provoking and do not cause uncomfortable situations, such as going to gyms and swimming pools and taking a shower together with other guys, can instead cause anxiety and discomfort in gay guys, because for them those things have some clear sexual implications.

Another typical form of discomfort for gay guys in adolescence consists in finding a possible relationship with the female world, because those guys realize that they are the object of sexual attention from girls and if on the one hand they are tempted to create a relationship with a girl, which would favor integration into the peer group, on the other hand they are aware that this is not what they are looking for and that sooner or later with a girl there will also be sexual contact, which could also work but which, in this case, would still create even stronger constraints from which it would then be traumatic if not impossible to free oneself.

DISCOMFORTS OF GAY YOUTH

A young gay man, after emerging from adolescence, i.e. from a state of substantial dependence and control by the family environment, tends to build his own emotional and sexual world, has his own experiences and, inevitably, realizes that the transition from the world of fantasy to that of reality, however natural and deeply desired, can be traumatic because love stories or stories that resemble love stories have nothing to do with fairy tales and real guys, those with whom we must build a relationship, are not at all a copy of ourselves but have their own story, often much more complex and problematic than what appears on the outside, they bring with them conditioning and complexes linked to their sexual stories, which may not emerge or not show themselves in their problematic aspects for even very long periods of time. 

Young gay people must also realize that everyone has their own sexual archetypes and has their own personal repertoire of fantasies and sexual behaviors and that therefore "real" sexual interaction with a guy, i.e. sex experienced with a deep emotional exchange and with at least the prospect of lasting, it is not at all an easy thing to manage. It should be added that many gay guys have a vision of the gay couple built on the marital model while others do not conceive of any kind of constraints and have a non-monogamous sexuality which however is absolutely not a form of betrayal because it is shared by the partners.

These issues, which I have summarized in a few lines, actually occupy a large part of the lives of young gay people. Experience matures slowly, helps to overcome prejudices and inevitably proceeds through trial and error. It should be underlined that those indicated above are the typical problems of a standard young gay man, because the presence of less common or of problems structured over time can also make the youth of a gay guy particularly complicated. It should not be forgotten that sexual addictions are established in this period of life and that some reading of university psychology texts (i.e. objectively scientific) can help young gays to frame their lives and to rationally understand their reactions and mechanisms of interaction within emotional relationships.

Regarding young gays, a fundamental observation emerges: perhaps the most important phase of the development of the adult personality, the one linked to the achievement of mental, emotional and above all economic independence, is completed with entry into the world of work. The young gay adult who works and has economic stability also has substantial autonomy. Paradoxical as it may seem, the strongest trauma, at this age of life, if we exclude serious illnesses and bereavements, is not the breakdown of an emotional relationship but the drama of unemployment which pushes the young gay back to the level of adolescence, i.e. it brings him back to a state of not only economic but also emotional dependence and substantial deprivation of freedom as a result of returning to his parents' home.

If studying and quickly entering a stable work situation is important for a straight guy, it is even more important for a young gay man, for whom freedom and independence from the family are indispensable conditions for realizing his own emotional and sexual life, as well as to obtain rewards from the world of work.

Obviously, entering the world of work is neither a given nor without traumas. The ability to manage relationships with colleagues and superiors matures with experience and at the beginning, the absence of concrete experience can lead to errors which then must be payed, I am referring in particular to the fact that the working environment it is just a work environment that must be managed as a work environment and that colleagues and, even worse, superiors are not friends to whom one can talk freely about oneself because with superiors there is a hierarchical relationship (i.e. one is evaluated by superiors, and you are evaluated with their categories) and with colleagues there is a competitive relationship and therefore a conflict of interests that makes a true friendship impossible. 

We often learn traumatically that we must keep the world of work and that of private life separate, because a confidence made to a colleague mistakenly considered a friend can remain an absolutely confidential fact for years "if there is no concrete utility in revealing it ” but if such a usefulness will manifest itself, the alleged friend will be able to put aside scruples of confidentiality and use what he knows to his advantage, obviously covering himself in the anonymity of "it is said that...".

DISCOMFORTS OF THE GAY MATURE AGE

The mature age from 35/40 to 60/65 years is generally characterized by work and economic stability, when this does not happen the problems become particularly serious because daily life comes to depend on random mechanisms which only increase the anxiety and insecurity and cause self-esteem levels to collapse. Recovering from these situations is not easy because the first need that must be addressed is to obtain a stable job, which may not compromise long-term pension prospects and therefore an at least minimally peaceful old age.

To limit ourselves to situations in which a certain level of work and economic stability has been achieved at a mature age, we can say that the gay adult has now become an old fox, and has accumulated enough experience to allow him to calmly manage the work environment. Emotional life is now on a well-defined track from which it would in any case be difficult to move away, in other words the age of choices is over and the gay adult has just to manage the choices already made.

There are gays who have married and had children and for them everything depends on the level of awareness of their wife and the levels of freedom that family life allows, even if reconciling life as a married man with children with different emotional and sexual choices is not easy at all, but if the family is there and the children are there, all this cannot be put aside and must coexist, as far as possible, with gay tendencies.

There are gays who have built stable gay couples and for them the problems are similar to those of straight couples without children, cohabitation is stable, but the temptations can be many, fidelity is in principle acceptable but it is difficult to make it coexist with a tired and worn-out relationship or with a strong external temptation, if the couple relationship is not yet worn out by the years.

Unfortunately, in this period of life, not to mention the most serious and disabling illnesses, the first typical age-related ailments begin to emerge and prevention becomes an obligatory chapter in the life of gay adults, unless one wants to get involved in politics of the ostrich. Appointments with doctors, rare at age 40, become more frequent as you get older. In a couple, when one of the two has more frequent medical needs, the other partner may show signs of impatience, as if the illness were a choice or a fault, because moving from the role of partner to the role of nurse or care giver represents a radical change of perspective to which not everyone is willing. Abandoning your partner in such a situation is seen as the worst form of betrayal.

Stable friendship relationships are often created between adult gay couples, even if with rather distant meetings. It is a phenomenon that I have encountered many times: once couples are formed or the idea of a couple is put aside, friendships are rediscovered, the simple pleasure of being together, of feeling like they belong to the same tribe, of speaking freely even about gay things as one can only between gays. These friendships are often a not at all banal alternative to couple relationships, some would say that they are a surrogate because they can also take on sexual connotations, especially when it comes to friendships within groups of singles, or quasi-singles, that is, men who also have a sexual life, however episodic and with different partners, generally two or three and always the same.

DISCOMFORTS OF GAY OLD AGE

Over the age of 60-65 it is necessary to realize that life is largely gone, if there are no particular economic problems, the thoughts of elderly gays progressively focus on illnesses but not on the illnesses in themselves, which at a certain age are in fact unavoidable and now constitute a constant in life, despite good prevention practices and the attempt to live a healthy life, but because disabling diseases entail the need for assistance as one may no longer be able to carry out without help even the essential acts for daily life, such as taking a shower or eating or going to the bathroom independently.

At this point the old gay without children feels in a worse condition than the old man who has children and grandchildren and thinks that for a gay, freedom from family ties, which has been a pillar of adult life, will lead to substantial loneliness in last stage of life. Either you will end up entrusted very precariously to grandchildren who want to safeguard their freedom in any case, or you will end up, if there is the money to realize such a hypothesis, being managed by a male or female care giver, or in the worst case you will end up in some old people's home. A gay person, in general, does not have the prospect of remaining in the family until later in life and hopes that death will arrive when one is still in conditions of relative independence, so as not to bother anyone. Naturally this reasoning applies to old gays who have not built a stable couple relationship. 

For those who have built a stable couple, the prospect of mutual help is less traumatic, but in this case, unfortunately, they have to deal with the trauma of widowhood, which sooner or later will take away one of the partners and leave the other in a situation of abandonment similar to that of gays who have not built a couple, but aggravated by the fact that those who have lived as a couple have difficulty accepting solitude. Even for gay couples, as for long-term straight ones, widowhood is the worst trauma.

From what I have personally experienced, I can say that a strongly stabilizing element in the life of an elderly gay is having friendships with gays of all ages, it is as if something similar could slow down the race towards death by keeping a person tied up for a long time to all phases of gay life. I hope that this safety net can last for several more years, at the moment I can say that it is very important.

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  I FELL IN LOVE WITH A REAL GAY GUY
Posted by: gayprojectforum - 10-20-2023, 07:58 PM - Forum: Gay couples - No Replies

Hi Project,
as you can see from my nickname, which I ask you to keep confidential, we already know each other and we have talked many times in chat. I have a very positive memory of those chats, basically the idea that being gay, after all, it's a beautiful and serious thing and, as you say, it's a way of loving. I spent years continuously looking for a guy, I had my own experiences, a bit like what we all more or less have, but, if I have to tell the truth, all those things seemed to me to be just ways of trying to see what effect it has on me being close to a guy and maybe even having a bit of sex, I mean such experiences seemed more like a test on myself than anything else.

This continuous search for a guy increased my experience, I understood better how to manage a brief contact with a guy, how to talk to him and then go to bed together, in a sense I learned a seduction strategy, if we want to call it so, but I have never managed to fall in love with a guy I met online, in fact, even those who said they were only interested in a serious relationship, while they were officially in love with me, they were also unofficially in love with someone else, lies were the rule and were considered as something obvious and those guys told me a lot of lies of every kind every day, I knew they were lies, the evidence was clear, and I pretended nothing had happened but I had the clear perception that there was actually no serious relationship between me and those guys, not even at a minimal level, so in the end I gave up the classic dating sites and I started to dedicate myself more to work.

When the problem of finding a boyfriend seemed definitively closed to me, because I was now 35 years old, the whole scenario of my life changes, because Gianni (here I will call him that) appears. He is 19 years old, he is objectively handsome, a bit like my ideal guy, tall, blond, smiling, and this matters a lot. Years ago I used to spend a few afternoons in a pine forest not far from my house, I took my computer with me and I sat down to work on a bench. There were people around, actually not too many, but it didn't bother me at all because my job was (and is) just programming and in practice it's very technical and you can do it wherever you want because no one would understand anything about it.

At a certain point I see a guy coming at me with his bicycle, downhill and at great speed, I instinctively get up from the bench and try not to move but to stop him, because he would have ended up at full speed straight onto the bench. It hits me and we both fall, obviously my computer ends up on the floor too. I fall, let's say so, well, because behind me there is the bench that stops me and I expected the blow and I was well balanced, but the guy, Gianni, falls badly. He had a helmet and his head was protected, but when he fell he badly scratched his left calf and knee. A bicycle wheel twists in the blow. 

Gianni gets up and apologizes to me, tells me that he will pay me for all the damages, but I hurry to tell him that nothing happened to me and that the computer fell closed in the grass and I don't think it received any damage at all, but I see him bleeding and I tell him: "But you have to disinfect yourself and you have to put plasters on the wounds and then the bike seems useless to me, let's go to the pharmacy to get something to disinfect." He says to me: "You go to the pharmacy, I'll wait for you here, in the meantime I'll rinse off under the fountain, ... but if it's too much trouble, forget it..." I just reply: "I'll be back very early, don't worry!" I walk briskly to the pharmacy, get disinfectant, cotton and plaster and go back to the park. He is sitting on the bench, he has washed the wounds which seem rather superficial. We disinfect them and don't even put plasters on them, because they aren't needed.

He then tells me: "Now I have the problem of a broken bicycle and I don't know where to leave it, then I have to go home." I tell him that I live a stone's throw away and that I have a garage, where, if he wants, he can leave his bicycle and that, if he wants, I can take him home in the car, he just replies “Ok, thanks! But I can get there on my own, that is, after I've done the damage I don't want to cause any trouble." I tell him it's not a bother at all and he just says “Okay!” He walks a little  limping but not much, I carry the bicycle by hand and he sometimes leans on me, but very lightly.

We leave the bike in the garage and then I accompany him by car to his house, quite far away, we exchange mobile numbers because he will have to come and get the bike back, I tell him that if he wants I can make it fixed, because I think it's damaged but not too much and I know a rather good bicycle mechanic, he tells me that he doesn't know how much it will cost him and that maybe it's better for him to think about it himself, I insist by saying that the mechanic is a friend and that the job could even be done for free. He just replies “Ah… Ok”. I leave him at his house.

I go back to my house and take the bike to the mechanic who tells me that the wheel is crooked but that with a cost of around twenty euros and 10 minutes of work he can fix everything, because he has a spurious wheel of exactly that type. After half an hour the bike is ready, cleaned and dusted and the mechanic also adjusted the brakes which were too ineffective, not because of the brake shoes, which were almost new, but because they were poorly adjusted. I load the bike into the car and go to Gianni's house, call him on the phone, tell him that I have the restored bike with me. 

He gets out, sees the bike, appreciates the work and asks me how much I spent, I tell him that the mechanic had a spurious wheel and that he didn't want anything. It was a lie and he knew it, he looked me straight in the eyes and said, “It's not true! Tell me how much you spent..." I couldn't insist and I told him the truth: "Twenty euros" he gave me back the 20 euros and said: "Thank you for the bike and everything else, but don't ever tell me lies! Okay?” I just replied: “Okay!” Then he said to me: “I take the bike up to my room and come back down.” In 10 minutes he is back on the street, he asks me if I should go or if I have some time to take a walk and adds: “… but not here…”.

We get in the car and go to another part of the city. The embarrassment is terrible, we don't know what to talk about and the whole conversation focuses on the accident, he tells me that the bike didn't brake, I reply that the mechanic had also adjusted the brakes, that the brake shoes were in good condition but the brakes were poorly adjusted. He looks at me and says: “Are we sure you only paid 20 euros?” I open my arms and tell him I can swear it on my head. I suggest we go and get something at the bar, but he says no very resolutely and I don't have the courage to insist. We continue talking, then my cell phone rings and it's a customer who has an urgent problem and who wants to see me as soon as possible, I explain it to Gianni, who only replies "Ok, bye and thanks for everything". We don't even shake hands, I just say “Hello!” and everything ends like this.

I feel strange at home. Ultimately the story of the bicycle was used to try to maintain contact with Gianni, but it had served no purpose, it had been an evanescent encounter which to me seemed like a splendid beginning of I don't know what and for him it had probably just been an annoyance. I was deeply disturbed by the meeting with Gianni, he was very different from the guys I had met through the sites. I didn't know who he was, I didn't know anything about him, yet there had been an interaction, no matter how minimal, there had been, even if everything ended up in nothing. 

I had his cell phone number, but I had no excuse to call him, I had now returned his bike and in theory I had no other reason to call him again. But my brain was running and I couldn't stop it. Evidently the brain processes an enormous amount of data which remains below the level of consciousness but which is there. I spent the entire evening working on my client's problem and was able to solve it. Shortly after midnight my mind was free to think about Gianni again, I was very tempted to call him but I feared I might get myself into a complicated and most likely unsuccessful story. Then I had a moment of madness and called him.

- Hi, Gianni, I wanted to ask you how you are and if everything is ok.
- Everything's fine, thanks, but did you call me just for this?
- No, well, I was happy to hear from you...
- I'm happy too. But why did you do all the things you did: take me home, have the bike fixed immediately and take it to my home and everything else?
- Well it seemed right to me.
- Remember that you promised not to tell lies!
- Well, I wanted to talk to you a bit...
- That's better. And why did you want to talk to me?
- I don't know...
- Yes you know...
- If this conversation bothers you, tell me and we'll end it here!
- It doesn't bother me at all... but it took you a long time to call...
- ... So you were expecting my last call?
- Yes…
- Ok, I'm happy about this.
- Now let's see if you can keep quiet
- Have I to keep quiet, on the phone now?
- Yes... then when I tell you, you tell me how you are.
- Okay.

In the minutes of silence my brain worked at maximum speed, building and demolishing the most incredible hypotheses, then Gianni resumed the conversation:

- What are you thinking about?
- To the fact that I want to ask you a question.
- What a question? ...
- Why are you treating me like this?
- To test you, you seem like a good devil, but I haven't figured you out yet, I need time to understand something more. And you, what did you understand?
- Don't embarrass me with these questions. Objectively I didn't understand anything. Intuitively I made a few hypotheses.
- Which hypotheses?
- Don't push me in the corner, okay?
- Ok, so far you still seem like a good devil to me. But now I think it's best to say goodbye...
- Why?
- Because we must have time to understand. Did you want to ask me something before closing?
- No...
- Don't tell lies!
- Well...
- Come on!
- Can we meet again?
- That's better! Of course we can see each other again, if you hadn't asked me you would have disappointed me and I wouldn't have asked you.
- Well, but it would have been a bit mean...
- Well, maybe I would have asked you, yes, I think I would have asked you. But now we say goodbye. I'll call you back tomorrow when I can and if I don't call you before, you call me in the evening after nine. Okay?
- Okay!
- Hi.
- Hi.

Coming home I felt new sensations that I had never felt before, it was clear that I was losing my head for Gianni and his strange behavior encouraged me in that direction. I knew that theoretically everything that went through my head made no sense, but I still found the sense and it even seemed obvious to me. The next day I waited all morning, then all afternoon but Gianni's call never came. I was disappointed, I felt stupid, I thought about not calling him to punish him, then this idea seemed childish to me but I took anyhow a little revenge, instead of at 9.00 I called him at 9.15.
He replies:

- I was waiting for you, but you made me wait 15 minutes... you knew I was waiting.
- But you also haven't called all day, you may have been busy, but anihow you could have found five minutes.
- Yes, I could have found them...
- And you didn't?
- No, but you also didn't call at 9.00.
- But you're strangely strong with these games...
- They're not games and you know it...
- Mh...
- Come on, don't get angry, after all you're a good devil...
- But don't constantly test me...
- You're right, you have the right to your privacy! But you have to agree that even your way of doing things isn't so obvious, isn't it?
- Well, actually... Why are you silent now?
- Because I too have the right to my privacy!
- But this way we play the game of silence...
- It's not a game and you know it well.
- Let's make a deal: no personal questions, okay?
- I can't agree at all! So what should we talk about? And then you would certainly like to ask me personal questions... and so would I... No! No privacy agreement, otherwise it's better to watch television than stay here on the phone. Oh well, I think we'd better say goodbye. I won't call you tomorrow...
- Can I call you?
- No, we won't talk at all tomorrow.
- But why? What did I do?
- Nothing... but we don't have to see each other every day, we'll talk the day after tomorrow...
- You are starting to play games again! No! I really don't like it like this, we'd better end it, there's nothing to say anyway. Hi!
 
And I ended the call. Obviously I felt terrible afterwards, but I felt like I was being made fun of, it felt like he was playing cat and mouse with me, that he wanted to dominate the situation but at the same time I missed him. After a minute I receive a text message: "I won't call you back because I'm almost out of credit, please call me back." I called him back, he told me that he could understand my reaction but that is how he is, maybe he will change, maybe not! The conversation moved on to expectations for the future and there he began to make pessimistic speeches, it was clear that he felt like someone who was absolutely far from the typical models of a good guy, he was alone and took things badly. I tried to tell him some positive things, but he replied to me with a tone of pity:

- But shut up, when you say this bullshit you just piss me off! Shut up, it's better!
I tried to see things a little from his point of view, but I didn't understand exactly what his point of view was or even what he was really talking about. I kept talking to fill the void. He only responded by shouting:
- Shut up!!
Between serious conversations, insults and silence, we stayed on the phone until three in the morning, then he told me.
- Enough is enough, I'm dead tired, but you're truly a good devil, you've stayed until now and no one forced you. I'll call you tomorrow around three, don't worry, I'll call you... Good night.
- Good night!

I was stressed and sleepy but all in all I was happy with how things were going and then Gianni had promised me that he would call me at three the next day, it was as if the phase of playing games, which I didn't like at all, had suddenly ended. I felt like "a good devil", even if I didn't understand the true meaning of that expression.

Here, Project, this was the beginning of our story. It was all a combination of things that I would never have imagined. Gianni wasn't a figment of my imagination, Gianni was truly another guy, with a story I knew absolutely nothing about. I felt that I had to give him his freedom and at the same time that his presence had enormous importance for me. I had to let things go their way. One thing amazed me and in a sense put me in crisis: Gianni had a truly monstrous intelligence, lucid, coherent, unfortunately soaked in radical pessimism, but I felt that his intelligence did not meet the standards from any point of view, it was 100% his, while in most cases I remained much more on the surface of things and clung to the common way of seeing.

I also felt that our relationship, however ramshackle and unlikely, had its solidity based on deep needs, his and mine. Little by little, substantial mutual trust increased and we came to truly tell each other everything. This thing, in my experience, was absolutely unique. Gianni had given me access to his most secret world and I had done the same. He was absolutely the only person who knew me without secrets. I wasn't just in love with Gianni, I admired him as a person, I found in him, despite the dissonances, a dignity that I had never found in anyone else and the courage to truly be himself at least with me.

We started seeing each other often, on Sundays we went shopping together at the supermarket, we cooked together, we stayed talking for hours, I felt him a bit like a brother and a bit like an impossible lover, I saw that he was fine with me, that he was happy to spend so much time with me. For more than a year there was no physical contact between us, he had a boyfriend who had made him lose his mind, but that guy didn't want to know about him and for this reason Gianni had been really terrible, sometimes he was very nervous and he responded aggressively, other times he was depressed to the point of crying. One day he declares himself to that guy and the guy responds really badly. Gianni was devastated. He calls me at two in the morning and he comes to my house. He remains crying desperately for almost half an hour. I hug him and he shakes my hand very tightly, this was our first explicit physical contact.

Over time, the effects of that guy's abandonment faded and Gianni found another guy, one who said he was straight and had a girlfriend, but played explicitly sexual games with Gianni. When Gianni talked to me about these things I was jealous but at the same time I saw Gianni calmer, a little less depressed, a little more willing to smile. Between us, after that first physical contact there were no other physical contacts, but we continued to see each other every week, we were two gay "friends", but behind that being friends I also saw the answer to other needs that cannot be solved with a bit of hit-and-run sex with someone who you consider to be your boyfriend but has a girlfriend, with all that this entails.

Gianni then also met other guys and had sex with them, but I had the impression that he did these things almost to throw himself away, to consume himself in superficial things and avoid thinking. Sometimes he told me what feelings he felt living sex with those guys, and it was clear that they were a kind of slow emotional suicide. On certain days he was in such a depressed mood that I would pick him up at home and we would spend the whole night in the car talking, but with very long pauses of silence, when it was very cold we would both put ourselves under a heavy quilt to warm ourselves with the physical heat of each other. It was precisely on one of those freezing January nights that we had our first sexual contacts. They were things deeply desired by both parties, it was a way of getting to know each other better, of not having even physical secrets from each other.

When we had sex everything was very beautiful, but immediately afterwards the doubts began, the scruples, the regret of having done something that perhaps we didn't really want to do, but also the fear of sexually transmitted diseases. He took the test, I didn't take it because it was the first time I had ever had sexual contact. Luckily the test was negative, but sex between us was never an obvious thing, it was something that seemed strange to him, almost a moment of weakness that he should or would have liked to do without. I too, in a sense, saw things that way and tried to encourage him to break away from me and look for a guy like he would have wanted him, but he saw my way of doing things as a way to dump him and tell him no, he felt very bad and reacted in a depressed and sometimes aggressive way, but only in words. Despite everything, the dialogue between us continued at a very serious level, but integrating sex into this relationship, which in essence was a relationship of deep friendship, seemed like an impossible task.

In the meantime Gianni had enrolled at university, obviously always with the idea that he wouldn't achieve anything and instead he had started taking his exams and his intelligence led him to non-standard approaches even in his studies and the professors respected him. He had also met a couple of rather reliable guys, with whom he occasionally had sexual contact, but he never considered them as life partners. With me things proceeded in the usual problematic way. Little by little I ended up putting aside the fear that Gianni might say goodbye to me definitively, I began to understand that it would never happen.

When he used to come to me and we talked seriously there was one thing that gratified him a lot and that was when I used to tell him that he was a proper person, that he had dignity and that I admired him a lot on a human level. He knew very well that they weren't things just to say and he cared a lot about it. He spoke very little to me about university and the things that, on that level, were starting to go well for him. When he came to me, sometimes we even had a little sex, then he went to open the fridge to eat something and he told me smiling: “There is, there is!” He was referring to a type of ice cream that he really liked and which, obviously, I always had in the fridge. The fact of finding that ice cream in the fridge was reassuring for him. Staying with me, for him, was a bit like staying in the family he had never had, feeling pampered even in the smallest things, like you do with children.

The good progress of his studies was for him the real medicine against depression. In my house I had set up a room for him, with a bed, a bookcase, a desk and two armchairs. Sometimes, after lessons he would come to me and start studying in "his room" and after a few hours I would bring him a snack in his room, all of this gratified him greatly. We could have sex together, but he had to have his privacy, he had to to sleep on his bed if he wanted to, he had to be able to close the door and talk on the phone with whoever he wanted. He didn't study with his university colleagues because he had an approach to studying that was absolutely his own, unique, intuitive but monstrously effective. Sometimes we started discussing physics things, which I only studied a little, and it also happened that in the end he told me that I gave him some interesting ideas, I can't deny that it was gratifying for me. In practice our relationship became a kind of family life that had its own stability and value for both him and me.

A few years have passed, he now works at a good level, and is satisfied with at least that. We see each other less because he has many work commitments, but our relationship continues. I love Gianni, he's a good devil too, and I wouldn't trade him for anyone in the world!

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